NC: All Blacks v Ireland

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@The-Irishman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Easy win for the AB's.

We will play an aging rake, don’t have any world class locks, can’t even decide who our best 6, 7 or 8 are, have a rookie 10, a revolving door at centre and left wing. Add to that a new game plan that barely got us over the line against a France D side. Plus the daunting unbeaten record since forever at Eden Park. Take all that into account and add that Ireland have NZs greatest ever non-AB halfback.

Ireland by 10

Add that we can't defend up the middle or our wide, have a captain selected mostly for "the feels", and have a geriatric on the bench

Ireland by 18

The reverse jinx game is starting early 🤟

@Mr-Fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

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@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.

Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?

Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.

Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.

@No-Quarter said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Mr-Fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.

Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?

Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.

Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.

Lots of players benefit from being in great teams. He was one of them

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@The-Irishman said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Easy win for the AB's.

We will play an aging rake, don’t have any world class locks, can’t even decide who our best 6, 7 or 8 are, have a rookie 10, a revolving door at centre and left wing. Add to that a new game plan that barely got us over the line against a France D side. Plus the daunting unbeaten record since forever at Eden Park. Take all that into account and add that Ireland have NZs greatest ever non-AB halfback.

Ireland by 10

@the-irishman

Add in a fullback prone to choking
A right-wing who should be fullback
Severe drop off to back up 9
Too many Crusaders
...

@No-Quarter said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

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@Kirwan said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@mr-fish said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nzzp said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@frugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

I am absolutely in favour of Moorby starting this week - I also don’t really see him as anything other than a stop gap.

But if he is a stop gap who wins us a Boks Tour then he will go down in ABs folklore

why is he a stop gap? Looks pretty useful to me.

Because I think Moorby is just the hot hand right now - probably not in a dissimilar mode to George Bridge a few years ago.

Hard disagree.

Go back and watch his tries when he was near the try scoring record for Super and got selected. They were bog average- typically gettin gthe ball in space a few yards out from the line iwth no defenders. If you think I'm exaggerating, I think in 12-14 tries he beat maybe 3-4 defenders. Classic example of statistics being misleading.

For the ABs his ability to beat a man was unrivalled - but in the wrong direction. He just ran into ocntact over and over. It was pitiful.

You could be talking about Doug Howlett.

Rubbish. Howlett could beat and a man and scored trys against more teams than Japan.

Like Bridge's tries against Australia, South Africa and Ireland, you mean?

Howlett had great speed but go back and watch his try-scoring highlights - there are only half a dozen or so amongst them that someone like Bridge couldn't also finish.

Lol what are you talking about, I have never seen Bridge skin players on the outside the way Howlett used too. His pace was a weapon, Bridge didn't have a single weapon in his arsenal on attack, he was nothing more than a solid Super player.

That doesn't really counter what I said though?

While we wait on the team, any sppeculation on whether we will look too change our gameplan at all? Will we continue to look for quick ball and show patience in retention for multiple phases? Or will we look to play territory more, kick more (whether high balls or for corners)? One aspect that I thought was disappointing across both the first 2 tests was our mauling - we didn't seem to make a lot of ground in either game. With Ireland having arguably a better pack than both Italy and France F, it is hard to see that improving this week?

@voodoo personally i'd love to see both...at our decretion, take control, keep them homest woth fast ball and then take territory....back and forward, keep them guessing

@voodoo i don’t know about all that but I can almost guarantee that it will be a game of two halves with lots of credit to the boys.

@ACT-Crusader said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo i don’t know about all that but I can almost guarantee that it will be a game of two halves with lots of credit to the boys.

no mums in the kitchen putting on a feed afterwards?

All Blacks: 1. Ethan de Groot, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Tyrel Lomax, 4. Josh Lord, 5. Patrick Tuipulotu, 6. Tupou Vaa'i, 7. Luke Jacobson, 8. Ardie Savea (c), 9. Cam Roigard, 10. Ruben Love, 11. Josh Moorby, 12. Jordie Barrett, 13. Quinn Tupaea, 14. Will Jordan, 15. Damian McKenzie.

Bench: 16. Asafo Aumua, 17. Xavier Numia, 18. Fletcher Newell, 19. Anton Segner, 20. Peter Lakai, 21. Cortez Ratima, 22. Anton Lienert-Brown, 23. Caleb Clarke.

Unavailable: Fehi Fineanganofo (shoulder), Leroy Carter (shoulder)

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@Frank said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Landers mate.
Where's the team?

I had it locked and ready to go but the Jordie injury has thrown a spanner in the works.

I’ll post what it was going to be anyway, I’m sure it will spark some discussion.

9. Roigard
10. Love
11. Moorby
12. J. Barrett
13. Tupaea
14. Jordan
15. Dmac

Bench
21. Ratima
22. ALB
23. Clarke

All subject to change now due to the JB injury obviously.

On the money. JB still one to watch with a game time decision

A couple of surprises but a decent sized team to secure ruck ball and provide a platform for the backs.

Would have preferred Tosi over Newell and what's this obsession with Taylor? Not selecting Darry is ridiculous imo.

Only thing I’m slightly nervous about is we could easily snooker ourselves with that bench.

I am assume the plan will be for Tuipulotu to go off for Lakai (Vaa’i to lock) and Segner for Jacobson.

If an injury comes at the wrong time, we could be left with Segner at lock…

@akan004 guess they are managing Darry's workload? But he has been arguably our best player in both tests.

@akan004 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Would have preferred Tosi over Newell and what's this obsession with Taylor?

Ryan obviously has plenty of say in the front row selections. I hope we see changes by the end of the SA tour.

All this talk about playing up tempo rugby and then we pick a forward pack full of cart horses.

Then we go and select Newell as an impact prop over Tosi who is our best in that role.

You also have the under done Tuipolotu coming in for our form lock.

Just another year of head scratching selections in all honesty.

Would have liked to see someone else given a start at hooker. Taylor was not as good in Wellington as in Christchurch and he is not a spring chicken.

I get why they have selected him but that cap might have been better given to Samisoni with Aumua off the bench.

Vai'i picked at 6 to challenge the Irish lineout....?

Feel like I have heard that somewhere before...

@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@akan004 guess they are managing Darry's workload? But he has been arguably our best player in both tests.

If that's the case they should have rested him against Italy. Not a fan of that decision.

@akan004 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@akan004 guess they are managing Darry's workload? But he has been arguably our best player in both tests.

If that's the case they should have rested him against Italy. Not a fan of that decision.

at first i agree but also like the idea of two games back to back rather than in and out

Other concern is Ratima and ALB - not sure a backline is scoring much with both on in the latter stages of a match.

So assume Parker is only there for injury cover now?

I don't think leaving out Darry is as big an issue as being made out. All our locks are of a decent standard, which isn't to say Darry hasn't performed best so far, but I remember even during the team naming some posters not being on board with him.

I think lock is the one position in the current ABs I don't mind us mixing up so much.

Not a huge fan of Vai'i at 6 though but maybe Rennie can make it work.

@akan004 I guess maybe he exceeded expectations in T1 and backed it up in T2, but knew we likely had PT coming back for this one, so had already played him more than anticipated.

@taniwharugby said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@akan004 I guess maybe he exceeded expectations in T1 and backed it up in T2, but knew we likely had PT coming back for this one, so had already played him more than anticipated.

Yep, and he looked pretty tired in 2nd half last week, I think he probably earnt a break. Let's not burn out a young fella .

The bench has a few players that aren't known for their impact in that role. We better not be chasing the game by the time those guys are due to come on

Vaa’i at blindside confirms they’re still searching for the right option there and don’t yet know who, if anyone, will provide it. Parker can’t be doing enough at training for Rennie’s liking.

Like others, I find it strange that Taylor is starting all three tests. At the very least, he could have been on the bench for one game to give another hooker more game time.

Tuipulotu straight into the starting lineup is interesting too, especially because he seemed like he’d fill the bench role so well. He might end up the midweek captain so this selection may reflect that.

And Beauden Barrett may have played his last test, which I have no issue with.

I like it. If there's an adjustment to the game plan. (see picking Barrett S at 6 then not contesting lineout debacle).
Backline good.
Ireland have a dodgy scrum. Picking Pat at TH lock, and Asafo and Newell on the bench gives us the ability to target it.
The Aussies had some success disrupting their lineout too.

Not sure why there’s confusion around Taylor starting.

We have kept our spine in tact for all 3 tests - 2,8,9,10,15 - for me that’s a positive.

EdG picks himself. The only question was whether they thought Lomax was back in top shape.

The AB scrum to close last weeks game was a little iffy from my perspective. I like our bench FR to address that.

Welcome back Patty T. Good to have him fit. He must be champing/chomping at the bit to get the start. I like it.

Vaa’i to blindside - my only concern is his speed off the scrum. Everything else that we need from a loosie is there. LJ and Ardie pick themselves.

Backs return to France lineup with an opportunity for Moorby. Again a positive.

Agree with the Moorby selection just would have put him at 15 with DMac on the bench where he has more impact. Also best thing about this team, no Beauden Barrett

I like it, Rennie continues to pick shit hot backlines which is such a huge positive this year, means we are going to be dangerous in every test. I would have started Clarke but Moorby is in hot form and Clarke can offer quite a bit of punch from the bench. Segner and Lakai could offer some serious impact from the bench as well if we want to speed things up in the 2nd 40.

I would have started Sami. Otherwise I like it. Giving Vaai a shot at 6 is a good move.
So glad Rennie is trying stuff out. Bringing Segner and Lakai on in the 2nd half would be a top move.
Moorby is a Snakey reincarnation. Always good value.

It would be nice to start better, we have conceded points very early in both games, sure we won and that's all that matters ultimately, but it aint ideal.

Little bit of oil.

We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Little bit of oil.

We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.

It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !

@MN5 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Little bit of oil.

We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.

It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !

I've seen it on paper.

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@MN5 said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in NC: All Blacks v Ireland:

Little bit of oil.

We're going to try and score more points than Ireland, while attempting to keep them to less points than us. Hence the selections.

It’s like having Graham Henry and the Ghost of Fred Allen amongst us. Amazing stuff !

I've seen it on paper.

You'll be seeing it on the Myth in no time.